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[quote author=vpontin link=topic=16.msg527#msg527 date=1312076482]
-Disable the storyline in suport for 4Fun servers ;)
-modify the syntax of some commands (e.g. GetPlayerpos(playerid, &x,&y,&z);)
-create more callbacks, and a client chat (i dont see in my tests :-\ )
sorry my bad english nd my newbie questions, I came from SA:MP :P
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I have created a function for that, you can check the useful functions topic for it.
In the future:
Vaultmp will have lots and lots of servers, we could add a favorite servers tab, a recently played, a server filter before searching for example:
Fallout 3 : Yes/No
Fallout NV Yes/No
Also servers should get a X players limit, rather than unlimited. And the V key(VATS) should be unbound to enter VATS mode.
A new HUD ingame so that theres a chat box(not an entirely new HUD) and if we don't use VATS we don't use AP.
[quote author=Dantiko link=topic=16.msg654#msg654 date=1312755717]
if we don't use VATS we don't use AP.
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There are mods like the sprinting mod that uses AP, adding VATS back in well... maybe if you removed the stop time and slow motion that VATS gives, then maybe. but unless thats possible (and I have no idea if it is, sounds like it isent the way I read it), I don't think adding it back in wouldent ruin it for the rest of the other people trying to play
[quote author=Dantiko link=topic=16.msg654#msg654 date=1312755717]
And the V key(VATS) should be unbound to enter VATS mode.
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The 'V' key could be used to use the chat like 'T' key in SA:MP ;)
I never did understand the chat key being the T key in FPS games, The Enter Key is still easyer as I see it.
[quote author=ArathHunter link=topic=16.msg665#msg665 date=1312777567]
I never did understand the chat key being the T key in FPS games, The Enter Key is still easyer as I see it.
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I said that the 't' key opens the text input, 'ENTER', obviously, send the message to the server.
Sorry Double Post, I did not find the option to attach on 'edit post' :o
the image clearly shows the use of the key 't'. Until it's pressed, the chat is 'disabled'. When pressed, the writebar and a scrollbar appear.
I just said I would like to see this button on VaultMP like the VATS's key, which is disabled and is not at risk of confusing users with custom keysets ;D
[quote author=Dantiko link=topic=16.msg654#msg654 date=1312755717]
A new HUD ingame so that theres a chat box(not an entirely new HUD) and if we don't use VATS we don't use AP.
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Project Nevada uses AP for sprint, you can see how it works. I think there shouldn't be VATS but AP should be implemented.
Anyway, is it possible to implement VoIP in vaultmp, example Pipboy radio will be used for it. You can choose channel and talk with players without use other communicators, like TS or Mumble. What do you think?
entering vats automatically pauses the game, if we can prevent it from pausing, well, lots of work to do(Im not the programmer here)
I suppose it's pretty much impossible to enable VATS without pausing the game. I may re-implement VATS, but this would require to freeze everybodys game when a player enters VATS mode. The server can define a rule like that every player is allowed to use VATS once every 30 minutes or so ;)
No... simple no, hmm... can we remake parts of the wasteland on instances, if a player is in an instance using vats, we simply wouldn't see him, or his enemies, and also use T key for teamchat when we form team with other players.
Hey, everyone, first post. I found this forum a few days ago and have been reading through it, and I gotta tell ya - I'm pretty excited about this. I'm utterly amazed at what you're doing. That being said... I have no skills that would be useful, as my scripting ability is limited to basic GECK scripting, etc. You guys are on a whole other level than me. I have been playing Fallout for quite a while though, and hope that I can help with testing, suggestions, etc. I think I have a pretty good idea how this is going to work, please correct me if I don't grasp it as well as I think. As each server would be set up differently, I understand that not all of these would apply equally, and I'm looking forward to the fact that if we don't like the way any of the servers have the game set up, we can make one ourselves. That's just fantastic. I will try to focus on basic game mechanics, though.
I really don't see how it's feasible to have any vanilla game functions that stop time or quickly advance time such as VATS, sleeping, pause, etc. When using a pip boy for inventory purposes the pause wouldn't work for that reason, as well as while bartering, or any other item or player inventory menu, etc. While this could work in theory, it would seriously suck in practice for other players affected by those pauses.
As far as main quests, or other quests, as a general rule I have no idea how those would work. The most obvious example is Power Of The Atom, etc. If one player blows up Megaton, it would obviously affect everyone else on the server. Same with the player home if you take the other direction, really only one person would be able to live there, etc. Some other examples would be quests such as Stealing Independence, where you have a single, specific item that needs to be removed from it's location and brought to another. The only person that would be able to do it on the server would be the first person that completes it.
Some suggestions that might work would be that certain areas are single player only areas, such as Megaton. When you enter Megaton, you are now in a single player only world. This way you can do the Power Of The Atom quest (though only disarming it) and gain a living space in the normal player home. Outside the gates is MP, inside is SP. It could work, I suppose. I have no idea how difficult it would be, or if it's even possible.
On the flip side of that coin, each person could do the disarm quest for XP and caps, like normal. But once you disarm it, you cannot do the quest again with that PC. The next guy through the gate could still talk to Lucas Simms, and disarm the same bomb you just did, and collect a reward... but not the player home.
For each of those you would have to remove some of the NPC dialog, and the options for blowing it up, etc. Remove Burke from Megaton, empty his house, etc. Whatever. I would also think that certain NPC's that know you or your father personally, such as Moriarty or Dr. Li, should have dialog options removed that specifically ID you as James' son/daughter. Have all of them treat you as a normal person in dialog. To do this a lot of the main quest would have to be disabled, and certain areas opened up that are only accessible through the main quest. Afterall, you're just another wastelander right?
Stealing Independence could be done similarly, where the entire game world inside the National Archives respawns when a player gets the quest from Abraham Washington. After that player finishes the quest, and removes the Declaration, the world stays at it is. Robots dead, containers looted, etc. To respawn it, a different player must get the quest from Washington, and the National Archives world respawns then. Sydney would have to stay there, though. Instead of her being a follower or leaving the NA to hang at Rivet City, she could just chill out there. Again, just spit balling.
As far as in-game chat, I gotta say that I prefer the way it's done in 2238. Hitting the enter key opens up the text box, you type, and hit enter to send it. If the text box is empty, hitting enter closes it. It gets very, very easy to use pretty quickly. The Enter key is useless in the vanilla game during play, anyway. I also like how the option to see the different players names floating above their head is implemented. Makes it easy to spot your friends or enemies when they enter. I would suggest that as long as they are in your Perception range, you can see their name tagged above their head. If you want to tag them as friends or enemies, I like that function, but have no preference for how it's done, if done at all.
A few people mentioned radios, and I gotta say, I love using radio's. They make it incredibly easy to keep in contact with your friends, do multi-player missions where you aren't near each other, etc. I don't like the idea of seeing your friends on your pip-boy map at all times. I would think that if they want to be found, they can tell you where they are over the radio. If they are out in the waste in a random cell, they can send a distress signal that puts a red waypoint on your compass, etc. Anyone who has played 2238 should know what I mean, as it's one of the most useful features of that game.
Player death is always a fun topic. In the vanilla game when you die, you respawn pretty quickly. And you respawn with all your gear at your last save point. Obviously, I assume that save points are not possible in this mod. How long does the players body lay on the ground after death? Is the player able to be looted? When the player respawns will they have their gear on them still? Do they only have what gear was not looted? I would personally prefer that each player is dead for the duration of say a minute, and in that time they can be looted - of anything and everything. Weapons, caps, armor, ammo, etc. If everyone is nice and leaves you with all your inventory, you respawn with it. If people are cruel and leave you with nothing, you respawn with nothing. If they take it all, and leave a single round of 10mm and a crappy pistol on you, well that's what you get on respawn.
I like the idea of starting the game via FWE, in an abandoned shack. Perhaps this could be a player home, perhaps the shack drops you in a random spot in the wastes when you exit, forever unable to return to the shack. Don't know, don't care really. As long as I can get into the MP world, I'll be happy. But I do like it, and I've always played with FWE for that reason. If the shack was used as a player home, then random shacks would appear on the map every time someone made a character. As far as how to handle player homes, if any, I have no idea. Maybe a series of abandoned hotels with available rooms from an NPC, rentable by the game week/day/whatever. If the number of PC on a server is limited, you might be able to match that number to the number of available rooms. Some could be at Tenpenny, some at Megaton, some at Rivet City, Big Town, etc. Maybe build a few new locations, small towns, whatever. So if there are 50 players limited to a server, then possibly 50 rooms/shacks/etc available total. You could get a key when you rent the room, that is not able to be looted (or maybe it should be?), and the key is removed from inventory if you don't pay your rent. heh
Anyway, that's just the stuff I remember thinking while reading this thread. I'll keep reading, and hopefully install the available alpha version soon and give it a shot, so I can give a more informed opinion...
personally i reckon there should only be one house, but when players enter it they go to there own version of the house so the house is sp only but everything else is mp and maybe you could invite people to enter your house, like giving them keys in there inventory, then when they go to enter the house they have the option to enter there house or anyones house they have the keys to
[quote author=Recycler link=topic=16.msg679#msg679 date=1312822267]
I suppose it's pretty much impossible to enable VATS without pausing the game. I may re-implement VATS, but this would require to freeze everybodys game when a player enters VATS mode. The server can define a rule like that every player is allowed to use VATS once every 30 minutes or so ;)
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IMO, there wouldn't be VATS in mp because freezing of everybody is quiet annoying. Example I'm going to city X and I meet someone which is fighting with NPC and he use VATS. I will freeze and must wait for end combat/VATS but I don't want to fight. There should be only real time fight or special gametypes for VATS (turn based) fights or options for enabled/disabled VATS.
the player won't be able to use VATS in cities, the player will only be able to use VATS if there aren't any players near or the players that are near are on his party, when a player enter VATS the game pauses for him and his party, if another player comes and find a player/party using VATS he wouldn't see them.
Or simply don't enable VATS, I prefer using AP for running like on Nevada mod.
Also, CouncilOfDave the idea of a single house sucks because if a gang of pks camp outside it when you leave with all your money on your way to buy something, you would be transformed into [size=36pt]GOO[/size]
[quote author=Dantiko link=topic=16.msg717#msg717 date=1312920140]
Also, CouncilOfDave the idea of a single house sucks because if a gang of pks camp outside it when you leave with all your money on your way to buy something, you would be transformed into [size=36pt]GOO[/size]
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I never suggested the idea of a single house. I suggested the idea of many houses, available at the location of your choosing (availability dependent, of course)... or making Megaton single-player only when you enter/exit the gates. Again, I don't know the best way to do all of this, they were just random ideas.
As far as PK's camping at your house, nothing will stop that, no matter where each player lives. They can also camp at the entrance/exit to any town, any trader, or any main travel route. How do I know? I'm a PK. I'll be the guy poppin' players in the grape with a round of .308 for fun and loot, and I won't have to wait outside their place to do it, either. At least if Megaton is a single-player only world when you enter, you can fast travel from your porch and not have to exit the gates. (Although I dislike the idea of fast travel in a MP game, without significant limitations on it.)
Even having guarded towns/merchants really only does so much. Then all you need is two people - one to kill the player, the other to loot him without drawing fire from guard NPC's.
I consider this all to be "The Wasteland", and pretty much expected of any Fallout MMO. And even if it's not me, it will be someone else.
But like i said, just throwing out suggestions.
I killed a guy :D, he had no pip boy ;D
It seems to me that, VATS doesn't fit to play multiplayer especially with the open world. Would be a little strange to travel the wilderness and not see someone who fights with raiders before us. After the fight that suddenly appeared, because VATS has passed. I think a good solution would be to completely remove the VATS system and improve the elements of FPS and action points.
You understand that VATS is a good option for single player, but is not suitable for multiplayer. Anyway, if someone really wanted to fight that only in VATS I suggest you do the 2 battle modes: real-time combat and VATS (turn based) combat for disabled/enabled by admin/owner server.
We can use bullet time for 3-5 sec in combat if you example have perk or something. Bullet time will be something like VATS but it doesn't stop everybody.
I think alotta these suggestions will be dependant on mods. Recycler is giving us the framework for the multiplayer, after that it should be reletively easy for us modders to create the things you guys have suggested bar implimentation of vats.
For example in the mod my teams working on, you can build bases to produce your troops and earn an income, but you can also rent/buy an apartment/house in one of the megacitys to store your personal items. Each house has its own key, which cant be lockpicked, furthermore, there will be immensely powerful armed guards outside these apartments/houses to rape any potentional pkers.
I'm already working on a perk based crafting/professions mod... lol. Whether or not I'll sever set up a server remains to still be seen, but I gotta have SOMETHING to do.
ok :D
[quote author=vpontin link=topic=16.msg667#msg667 date=1312788098]
[quote author=ArathHunter link=topic=16.msg665#msg665 date=1312777567]
I never did understand the chat key being the T key in FPS games, The Enter Key is still easyer as I see it.
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I said that the 't' key opens the text input, 'ENTER', obviously, send the message to the server.
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I ment Pressing t to open the text input, its annoying. in games like TF2 and gmod, I always set my text button to "Enter", and make the spray paint T, or teamchat if theres no spray option in the game.
[quote author=ArathHunter link=topic=16.msg743#msg743 date=1313019450]
[quote author=vpontin link=topic=16.msg667#msg667 date=1312788098]
[quote author=ArathHunter link=topic=16.msg665#msg665 date=1312777567]
I never did understand the chat key being the T key in FPS games, The Enter Key is still easyer as I see it.
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I said that the 't' key opens the text input, 'ENTER', obviously, send the message to the server.
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I ment Pressing t to open the text input, its annoying. in games like TF2 and gmod, I always set my text button to "Enter", and make the spray paint T, or teamchat if theres no spray option in the game.
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Use AutoHotKey:
Key::
SendInput t
Return
Recycler doesn't need to design a whole new system just for one persons opinion.
[quote author=Aleksander link=topic=16.msg747#msg747 date=1313042776]
[quote author=ArathHunter link=topic=16.msg743#msg743 date=1313019450]
[quote author=vpontin link=topic=16.msg667#msg667 date=1312788098]
[quote author=ArathHunter link=topic=16.msg665#msg665 date=1312777567]
I never did understand the chat key being the T key in FPS games, The Enter Key is still easyer as I see it.
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I said that the 't' key opens the text input, 'ENTER', obviously, send the message to the server.
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I ment Pressing t to open the text input, its annoying. in games like TF2 and gmod, I always set my text button to "Enter", and make the spray paint T, or teamchat if theres no spray option in the game.
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Use AutoHotKey:
Key::
SendInput t
Return
Recycler doesn't need to design a whole new system just for one persons opinion.
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Well I'm not assuming he does, and I feel quite insulted you expect that of just Me, Though if the majority feels more comfortable with T then so be it, as long as there is a option to change the hotkey to chat, I'm happy.
As for the command things you typed out for me. I have no idea sadly what to do with that.
I have simple suggestion about exploding limbs, heads cut scene managed by server. There should be option to disabled/enabled or change "frequency" of it.
or a server with a plugin that blows everyone's heads and all limbs at the same time.
[quote author=tester123 link=topic=16.msg797#msg797 date=1313226661]
I have simple suggestion about exploding limbs, heads cut scene managed by server. There should be option to disabled/enabled or change "frequency" of it.
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i think it would be better to disable all cutscenes at server think about battle where is alot of ppl and u shoot one guy to head and cutscene comes then you cant do anything, at that time other ppl shoot u.
[quote author=Maxl link=topic=16.msg816#msg816 date=1313310927]
[quote author=tester123 link=topic=16.msg797#msg797 date=1313226661]
I have simple suggestion about exploding limbs, heads cut scene managed by server. There should be option to disabled/enabled or change "frequency" of it.
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i think it would be better to disable all cutscenes at server think about battle where is alot of ppl and u shoot one guy to head and cutscene comes then you cant do anything, at that time other ppl shoot u.
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Well, if VATS, pause, and sleeping/waiting won't work, I'm guessing neither will the kill cams or the other cut scenes.
For me a faction mod where for example a player can join in enclave or in the bos and outcast for make wars in the wasteland.
conqueror mode YES!
Or a super mutant killing server, everyone gets an Experimental MIRV and lots of Super Mutants Behemoths appear :D
year Conqeror mod - the best and Roleplay
https://newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=43479
Not really something for you to add but to all the fallout MP guys out there, this will be an absolute must for team play.
[quote author=MajorPWNage link=topic=16.msg889#msg889 date=1313617695]
https://newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=43479
Not really something for you to add but to all the fallout MP guys out there, this will be an absolute must for team play.
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Hmmmm, very nice suggestion. I think for pvp servers, that would be a pretty good feature.
A must for team play for sure, I agree.
I'd like some sections / forums for C++ scripting. It will make things cleaner, and will prevent some confusion.
there is already an area on the home page.
hehe that will be fun if spamming stimpack on other to death xD
[quote author=Jeppe link=topic=16.msg45#msg45 date=1308722179]
Yeah, about the bed feature.
Since in Singleplayer ''Fallout'' you can sleep to get to the morning or night. Would not that be a problem for players on the server?
And i hope u make NPC's respawn after their death, if not i can just go kill a good npc and only i can have that weapon.
But good work so far!
/Jeppe
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It would actually work Instead of Disabling it you could simply Make it as if your sleeping and the rest of the world is still going on, As if it does not speed up time change the weather or any of that, It would simply be a way of healing Or un-crippling Limbs, Same for vats it could work as if your not frozen and the world still goes on As if you were not in vats, Just my idea on how it would work,
And as for my suggestion I dont know if this has been suggested or not i did not read all the other players comments, I would like to see a voice chat
I was thinking a live stream radio station, with one of us being a host and having some sort of "Vaultmp news show" We could rip songs of the CONELRAD mod and classic fallout songs, but I can't even begin to think of the ungodly amounts of scripting this would take.
[quote author=Scarecrow65118 link=topic=16.msg2455#msg2455 date=1315325031]
I was thinking a live stream radio station, with one of us being a host and having some sort of "Vaultmp news show" We could rip songs of the CONELRAD mod and classic fallout songs, but I can't even begin to think of the ungodly amounts of scripting this would take.
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Good try it out, why will this take ungodly amounts op scripting? There are enough tools and the player is just a little flash and php..
Or do you mean in game?